The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was: promoted by RoySmith (talk) 17:46, 5 October 2022 (UTC)
... that Muhammad ibn Ahmad al-Nasafi wrote a treatise asserting that the sharia had been suspended, and the era of lawlessness would end only upon the return of the Mahdi? Source: Daftary, Farhad (2007). The Ismāʿı̄lı̄s: Their History and Doctrines (Second ed.)
Doing... I'd love to review this nomination. Please allow me some time to assess the things around. Best, ─ The Aafī(talk) 15:39, 1 October 2022 (UTC)
Cplakidas and LordPeterII: Could you guys help me comprehend, He espoused the idea that the sharīʿa, the religious law of Islam announced by Muhammad, was suspended with the coming of Muhammad ibn Isma'il, and that the subsequent era was one of lawlessness, which would last until Muhammad ibn Isma'il's imminent return, when the true, inner meaning of religion would be revealed. I feel this should be reworded. The article elsewhere says, Al-Nasafi and his followers still subscribed to the original precepts of early Isma'ilism, that centred on the return of the seventh Isma'ili imam, Muhammad ibn Isma'il, as the Mahdī. That's to say, Alt0 would need some amendments but that's something I'd advise later. The first statement I quoted from article looks WP:PUFF to me and can me made more neutral. That's everything I have for now. Looking forward to reading your comments. Best, ─ The Aafī(talk) 15:46, 1 October 2022 (UTC)
Hi TheAafi, not quite sure what the problem is. What exactly falls under WP:PUFF? The first quote (He espoused...revealed) is a pretty accurate summary of what al-Nasafi taught. Constantine ✍ 20:31, 1 October 2022 (UTC)
Hi Cplakidas, I'm sorry for the confusion. Such things happen because of your differences in understanding certain ideas and policies. The part imminent return, when the true, inner meaning of religion looked non-neutral to me and I thought it can be reworded but if it is due to my different understanding, I'll not do bludgeoning. That said, it is pretty clear that Nasafi considered Muhammad ibn Ismail to be the Mahdi, but it isn't something that everyone supports. So, I propose changing Mahdi into Muhammad ibn Ismail, to make the fact look more accurate. I've two hooks in my mind that I think go in line according to my opinion. What do you say on this? ─ The Aafī(talk) 07:42, 2 October 2022 (UTC)
@TheAafi: now I understand. Yes, the claim is of course correct in the context of the article, but the DYK hook should differentiate. Nevertheless, the 'return' of Muhammad ibn Isma'il is important because he was supposed to be the Mahdi, so this needs to be mentioned. I propose ALT0: ... that Muhammad ibn Ahmad al-Nasafi wrote a treatise asserting that the sharia had been suspended, and the era of lawlessness would end only upon the return of Muhammad ibn Isma'il as the Mahdi? Constantine ✍ 16:22, 2 October 2022 (UTC)
Cplakidas, I'd to happy to approve that one but I've a question. I was skimming through The Ismāʿı̄lı̄s: Their History and Doctrines (p. 226) which has been cited as the source for the hook. It does mention Muhammad ibn Isma'il's coming back to revive the law etc. but I'm not able to find any word relevant to Mahdi. Could you please help with that? ─ The Aafī(talk) 16:46, 3 October 2022 (UTC)
@TheAafi: An imam who is in hiding and will return to issue a new and final law or the end times is the definition of the Mahdi in Shi'ism. The whole chapter on 'Early Isma'ilism' examines precisely that. Just as a sample, p. 96: "Muhammad b. Ismā'ı̄l was regarded as their seventh and last imam, who was expected to reappear as the Mahdı̄ or Qā'im, ‘riser’" or p. 108: "the Ismā'ı̄lı̄ da'wa, then promising the imminent advent of Muhammad b. Ismā'ı̄l as the Mahdı̄ and the restorer of religion and justice". Constantine ✍ 18:24, 3 October 2022 (UTC)
Thanks Constantine. I'll get back in a day or two (perhaps tomorrow) with final review. I need to skim through these pages first. Best, ─ The Aafī(talk) 15:23, 4 October 2022 (UTC)
Overall: Article was new and long enough on the day it was nominated for DYK. QPQ has been provided. No plagiarism. All checks go okay. This is good to go! ─ The Aafī(talk) 13:59, 5 October 2022 (UTC)
Doing... I'd love to review this nomination. Please allow me some time to assess the things around. Best, ─ The Aafī (talk) 15:39, 1 October 2022 (UTC)
Article was new and long enough on the day it was nominated for DYK. QPQ has been provided. No plagiarism. All checks go okay. This is good to go! ─ The Aafī (talk) 13:59, 5 October 2022 (UTC)